The Blackangel Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 That is a very firm YES for me. I am more than willing to give my life in place of any animal. Now let me state, that I do eat meat. That's something that is important to note. But that meat is going to be sold as food either way, which is something I have no control over. So I see no reason to deny myself something I enjoy in this instance. But aside from that, I will die to protect any animal. Especially rats, as we all know. Their lives are worth infinitely more than mine. Humans are the only animal that holds no value. Anything else and I am willing and ready to die for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagger Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) Honestly, no. Giving up your life to save an animal (or a human) may seam heroic, but in the end it is merely foolish. Any rescuer will tell you, even when it come to rescuing humans, to not put yourself at unnecessary risk to do so. The example I'm pointing to here concerns rescuing people ,but it still makes the point and is an appropriate metaphor. At my job we have undergone training to work in confined spaces. As part of the training we have been told time and again that if you loose contact with somebody down a space, whether it be a silo, a tank, manhole or whatever, NEVER attempt to rescue them yourself. You raise the alarms and get help. Many years ago, a man collapsed in a Caisson. The two two other men tried to shout for him, but didn't get a response. First one man went down to search and rescue thier colleague, but then collapsed himself, them the another man did the same thing, also collapsed. It turns out corrosion inside the caisson had depleted all the oxygen, leaving the atmosphere unbreathable. It took the apprentice working with the men to do right thing and leave them in the caisson and get help, but it was already too late. All three of the men died. So like i said, putting you life at risk to rescue anything is more foolish that it is heroic for most part. Edited June 25, 2021 by Shagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 I'm not looking for any heroic label. I just value their lives above my own. Merely an opinion. I'm not trying to pass it off as some sort of bone hard fact, It's just how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steerminator Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) I dunno. I'd definitely rather die than kill one, though. And I would surely put the life of one of my pets over my own. Edited June 25, 2021 by Steerminator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I would risk my life to save a pet, but I know if I die then the pet is as good as dead too. And if I had other pets to care for, I wouldn't die for just one. If I was in Africa and saw a poacher, I'd accidentally shoot him and hurry and fly back. Maybe it's legal to kill poachers, I don't know. If I were elected I would make it legal. StaceyPowers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted June 25, 2021 Author Share Posted June 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Reality vs Adventure said: I would risk my life to save a pet, but I know if I die then the pet is as good as dead too. And if I had other pets to care for, I wouldn't die for just one. If I was in Africa and saw a poacher, I'd accidentally shoot him and hurry and fly back. Maybe it's legal to kill poachers, I don't know. If I were elected I would make it legal. It's not technically "legal" in the sense that we here in the states define the word. But in most places you won't face much of any kind of punishment for killing one. Or 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killamch89 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 If it's my pet, I'd fight tooth and nail for them because they have always protected my life without hesitation. If it's a wild animal being hunted by poachers or being endangered by other humans, I'd definitely try to help. If it's too animals fighting, I'd just let nature take its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 12 hours ago, killamch89 said: If it's my pet, I'd fight tooth and nail for them because they have always protected my life without hesitation. If it's a wild animal being hunted by poachers or being endangered by other humans, I'd definitely try to help. If it's too animals fighting, I'd just let nature take its course. I wouldn't intervene there either. That's nature, and I will let nature be natural as much as possible. But I'm thinking of something due to unnatural causes. Or extreme natural causes. Like when Katrina hit in 2005, there were a sickening number of dogs and cats in New Orleans that drowned because they couldn't get out of the water. Hurricanes are natural, but I would have dove into the water to try to save them. And with the fighting, afterwards I would check to see if one had been killed by the other if I saw only one walk away. If it was laying there suffering and there was no saving it, I would end its suffering. If it could be saved, then I would fight with everything I have, no matter how dangerous of an animal it was (bear, lion, wolf, etc.) to save it. If I got torn up in the process, then that would be fine by me. As long as it made a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, The Blackangel said: I wouldn't intervene there either. That's nature, and I will let nature be natural as much as possible. But I'm thinking of something due to unnatural causes. Or extreme natural causes. Like when Katrina hit in 2005, there were a sickening number of dogs and cats in New Orleans that drowned because they couldn't get out of the water. Hurricanes are natural, but I would have dove into the water to try to save them. And with the fighting, afterwards I would check to see if one had been killed by the other if I saw only one walk away. If it was laying there suffering and there was no saving it, I would end its suffering. If it could be saved, then I would fight with everything I have, no matter how dangerous of an animal it was (bear, lion, wolf, etc.) to save it. If I got torn up in the process, then that would be fine by me. As long as it made a full recovery. When Harvey hit Texas, a lot of livestock didn't make it. There were a lot of wild pigs laying about. Farmers lost entire livestock. And the thing that hurts me the most is that animal shelters and clinics abandoned the animals there when it flooded. It was their duty to protect them and they had warning time. I hope it eats their conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Reality vs Adventure said: When Harvey hit Texas, a lot of livestock didn't make it. There were a lot of wild pigs laying about. Farmers lost entire livestock. And the thing that hurts me the most is that animal shelters and clinics abandoned the animals there when it flooded. It was their duty to protect them and they had warning time. I hope it eats their conscious. I think I'm going to be sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Blackangel said: I think I'm going to be sick. It's a painful world and the little creatures have taken enough suffering because of humans. But it won't end. It even teaches in the bible that man has dominion over animals. The way I see it, we have a responsibility to treat them fair. We don't have dominion over anything but ourselves, and sometimes not even then. Dominion doesn't equal abuse. Dominion equals responsibility. StaceyPowers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blackangel Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 We have the responsibility to treat them with kindness and respect. Maybe not to the degree I go to, but that doesn't negate the fact that they deserve it. I place their lives above my own. Most will call me insane for that. A few may respect that. But it is what it is. To each their own. I - One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. VI - People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killamch89 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 4 hours ago, The Blackangel said: I wouldn't intervene there either. That's nature, and I will let nature be natural as much as possible. But I'm thinking of something due to unnatural causes. Or extreme natural causes. Like when Katrina hit in 2005, there were a sickening number of dogs and cats in New Orleans that drowned because they couldn't get out of the water. Hurricanes are natural, but I would have dove into the water to try to save them. And with the fighting, afterwards I would check to see if one had been killed by the other if I saw only one walk away. If it was laying there suffering and there was no saving it, I would end its suffering. If it could be saved, then I would fight with everything I have, no matter how dangerous of an animal it was (bear, lion, wolf, etc.) to save it. If I got torn up in the process, then that would be fine by me. As long as it made a full recovery. I'd rescue animals during a storm if I could because that's an unnatural circumstance for the animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagger Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, killamch89 said: I'd rescue animals during a storm if I could because that's an unnatural circumstance for the animal. Weather is one the most natural things that there is, so I'm having difficulty understanding why that would be considered an unnatural circumstance. Life on earth has been dealing with the weather since life on this evolved beyond single sell organisms. Animals dying because they can't survive the environment is the very epitome of natural selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killamch89 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Shagger said: Weather is one the most natural things that there is, so I'm having difficulty understanding why that would be considered an unnatural circumstance. Life on earth has been dealing with the weather since life on this evolved beyond single sell organisms. Animals dying because they can't survive the environment is the very epitome of natural selection. I'm speaking in regards to a flood or the aftermath of something like a tornado. I'd help rescue the animals if it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
