Gamers Are Mad That Thor is Fat in God of War Ragnarok. Well... He Was, According to Actual Myth.

[Heatman]

  On 9/21/2021 at 10:37 AM, Crazycrab said:

 

The Vikings did engage in Slavery, but wasn't quite the same system that we think of other European countries doing centuries later.  They gathered people up from raids and traded them throughout Europe and enslavement was also sometimes used as punishment for crimes.

 

So it's true there were some black people living in Scandinavia at the time, but it's not a correct assumption that these people were slaves.  It's possible that some were of course but it's not the same racial association that we have with the slave traders that operated in Europe and America centuries later.

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Yeah - I actually wasn't saving all the black people in Scandinavia were all slaves - No they are not. I mentioned about some slaves becoming Freeborn after servitude and they get married as Freeborn, any of their black offsprings aren't slaves. 

[Reality vs Adventure]

  On 9/21/2021 at 11:47 AM, Shagger said:

 

This behaviour from gamers irritates in a huge way. People like m76 (this time I'm not using the mention function because that triggered him) will always claim they're defending creative liberty by calling out inclusion. The problem with thier argument is that they pick and choose what counts as creative liberty and what doesn't to suit themselves. To these people, a game developer's design can only be a creative liberty when it's something that those people themselves feel comfortable with, anything that deviates from that is "political". They would never accuse a developer of "pandering" or the design being "political" in nature when it's a design they were comfortable with or approve of, even if it didn't make any sense and actually was political or justifiably controversial (like if it were whitewashing, for example). So you see, the "creative liberty" argument is a lie to desguise the person making the argument's own prejudices. In this case with Angrboda, that prejudice is racism. As the article points out, the character is a Jotun, so there are not real limitations or patterns to adhere to when it come to the design, so why can't she be black girl and have that be the very creative liberty these ass-holes claim to be defending? So you're right @Heatman, this is totally about people simply being racist as well as hypocrites.

 

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This new God of War is looking pretty interesting. I didn't even know a new one was coming out till this topic. You are right that a Jotun doesn't really have limitations so I think Angrboda shouldn't have much of a controversy. The only problem I would have when adding a black person in lore like that is if the black skin, prejudice slang, or features of an ethnic group are represented as a villain that you must kill and eliminate. That has been the pattern in entertainment. So if they made all the Jotun black and made them villains, I would have a problem with it. But that doesn't look to be the case here, so to make an entity black that usually is blue and have people complain that that skin color doesn't belong at all is selective creative freedom. From a brief lore lesson on reading a little about it, some of the Gods are descendants of the Jotnar. So maybe that is the real reason they get upset of a black Jotun. 

[Shagger]

  On 9/21/2021 at 8:43 PM, Reality vs Adventure said:

This new God of War is looking pretty interesting. I didn't even know a new one was coming out till this topic. You are right that a Jotun doesn't really have limitations so I think Angrboda shouldn't have much of a controversy. The only problem I would have when adding a black person in lore like that is if the black skin, prejudice slang, or features of an ethnic group are represented as a villain that you must kill and eliminate. That has been the pattern in entertainment. So if they made all the Jotun black and made them villains, I would have a problem with it. But that doesn't look to be the case here, so to make an entity black that usually is blue and have people complain that that skin color doesn't belong at all is selective creative freedom. From a brief lore lesson on reading a little about it, some of the Gods are descendants of the Jotnar. So maybe that is the real reason they get upset of a black Jotun. 

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I'm going to disagree with you slightly. Game dev's and even movie/TV show producers shouldn't be afraid to cast minorities as the villains. So long as the villainy is rooted through the character, like who they are and what they do/don't do rather than what they are, and they're still portrayed in a dignified, non-stereotypical manner, I see no issue with minorities being cast as villains.

[Reality vs Adventure]

  On 9/21/2021 at 9:11 PM, Shagger said:

 

I'm going to disagree with you slightly. Game dev's and even movie/TV show producers shouldn't be afraid to cast minorities as the villains. So long as the villainy is rooted through the character, like who they are and what they do/don't do rather than what they are, and they're still portrayed in a dignified, non-stereotypical manner, I see no issue with minorities being cast as villains.

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Exactly; if they personalize the character you can see who they are and not what they are. But when they are impersonalized as just fodder, then I take issue with it because that way of thinking can be embedded into people’s minds if that’s all they repeatedly see.

[Heatman]

  On 9/21/2021 at 11:47 AM, Shagger said:

 

This behaviour from gamers irritates in a huge way. People like m76 (this time I'm not using the mention function because that triggered him) will always claim they're defending creative liberty by calling out inclusion. The problem with thier argument is that they pick and choose what counts as creative liberty and what doesn't to suit themselves. To these people, a game developer's design can only be a creative liberty when it's something that those people themselves feel comfortable with, anything that deviates from that is "political". They would never accuse a developer of "pandering" or the design being "political" in nature when it's a design they were comfortable with or approve of, even if it didn't make any sense and actually was political or justifiably controversial (like if it were whitewashing, for example). So you see, the "creative liberty" argument is a lie to desguise the person making the argument's own prejudices. In this case with Angrboda, that prejudice is racism. As the article points out, the character is a Jotun, so there are not real limitations or patterns to adhere to when it come to the design, so why can't she be black girl and have that be the very creative liberty these ass-holes claim to be defending? So you're right @Heatman, this is totally about people simply being racist as well as hypocrites.

 

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I'm not surprised seeing we have both racist and hypocrites amongst us in the gaming community, it's something that's rooted deep in almost everything today, even sports and it's very hard to eliminate it. 

[killamch89]

  On 9/21/2021 at 9:48 PM, Heatman said:

I'm not surprised seeing we have both racist and hypocrites amongst us in the gaming community, it's something that's rooted deep in almost everything today, even sports and it's very hard to eliminate it. 

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Most of the racism in first world countries is systematic so you'd have to reform those systems to even get any meaningful change...

[Heatman]

  On 9/22/2021 at 12:31 AM, killamch89 said:

Most of the racism in first world countries is systematic so you'd have to reform those systems to even get any meaningful change...

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Yeah - it's something that is very important to be handled with all efforts to root out racism but it's eaten deep in the world that it's going to be very hard to get rid of it. 

[Head_Hunter]

Racism is a problem indeed, their is no place you can't find racism, you'll find it in gaming, real soccer, workplace, in the foreigners country etc. I just hope racism is tarnished cos it has killed many people today. 

[Heatman]

  On 9/23/2021 at 11:54 PM, Head_Hunter said:

Racism is a problem indeed, their is no place you can't find racism, you'll find it in gaming, real soccer, workplace, in the foreigners country etc. I just hope racism is tarnished cos it has killed many people today. 

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Seriously - It's actually what we wake up to see in the world today. As far as I'm concerned, it's almost going to be impossible to end racism. 

[Crazycrab]

Sorry to bump this this topic back from the dead but Jim Stephanie (fucking) Stirling (son) just made a video about the hypocrisy already that has already been under discussion here.  Since I have pretty much already stated that I agree with these sentiments completely I figured I would just post it here rather than start a new topic about the exact same thing, enjoy!

 

 

[Reality vs Adventure]

  On 2/21/2022 at 3:53 PM, Crazycrab said:

Sorry to bump this this topic back from the dead but Jim Stephanie (fucking) Stirling (son) just made a video about the hypocrisy already that has already been under discussion here.  Since I have pretty much already stated that I agree with these sentiments completely I figured I would just post it here rather than start a new topic about the exact same thing, enjoy!

 

 

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If women didn't shave, they all would have mustaches! Bad joke, bad joke...who cares about a little peach fuzz on the chin these people want to complain about. They have to realize that as games become more realistic looking, there will be more textures like hair and wrinkles, freckles, blemishes, etc. Those things add character. It becomes too repetitive when every female is supposed to look a certain way. Aloy is one of my favorite female gaming characters and they shouldn't concern themselves with that b.s. 

[Heatman]

  On 2/21/2022 at 5:41 PM, Reality vs Adventure said:

If women didn't shave, they all would have mustaches! Bad joke, bad joke...who cares about a little peach fuzz on the chin these people want to complain about. They have to realize that as games become more realistic looking, there will be more textures like hair and wrinkles, freckles, blemishes, etc. Those things add character. It becomes too repetitive when every female is supposed to look a certain way. Aloy is one of my favorite female gaming characters and they shouldn't concern themselves with that b.s. 

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Personally, I do love my woman being hairy. I love it when I caress the hairs all over her body. It might sound weird to some but it's what I like. 

[Crazycrab]

  On 2/21/2022 at 5:53 PM, Heatman said:

Personally, I do love my woman being hairy. I love it when I caress the hairs all over her body. It might sound weird to some but it's what I like. 

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Your borderline TMI here, it's like me accidentally mentioning how much I like sweat....... FUCK!!!!!!!

[Heatman]

  On 2/21/2022 at 6:07 PM, Crazycrab said:

 

Your borderline TMI here, it's like me accidentally mentioning how much I like sweat....... FUCK!!!!!!!

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Haha, that's as real as it gets for me mate.... 😉 

[Altair]

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Social media is such a toxic place nowadays that I just don't pay most of the people on those platforms any mind. Anybody that knows Norse Mythology knows Thor is fat - I honestly can't believe this is a topic of discussion. I already like the game because what I'm seeing from it is his son being as naive as Kratos was at his age and Kratos trying to steer him down a different path.

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Social media is a very toxic place. I try to ignore it and not take it to heart. 
Seriously why is this even a discussion among gamers. It's ridiculous. 

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Racism is a problem indeed, their is no place you can't find racism, you'll find it in gaming, real soccer, workplace, in the foreigners country etc. I just hope racism is tarnished cos it has killed many people today. 

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Unfortunately I don't think racism will end in my lifetime. 
It's too in·grained in society that will be hard to eradicate. It's sad to see.