Techno Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 @Heatman @Reality vs Adventure This was a debate that began over in the Unpopular Options, Reality suggested moving it over to debate. The question stands as: How Should A Website/Government Response To Extremism? Heatman and Reality vs Adventure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 minute ago, Techno said: @Heatman @Reality vs Adventure This was a debate that began over in the Unpopular Options, Reality suggested moving it over to debate. The question stands as: How Should A Website/Government Response To Extremism? The likes of @Shaggerand @Withywarlockwould definitely have something interesting to chip in on this. Let's all rally on this one guys. Techno 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) I think the first thing we should debate about, is what extremism is. For me, it's a intense reaction to things. The definition of extreme (according to Merriam Dictionary) is "going to great or exaggerated lengths", and "most advanced or thoroughgoing", this is more or less saying that extremes ,when it comes to politics, are a overabundance of reaction. The problem with extremism is that it becomes overly violent. Edited February 22, 2022 by Techno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I would like to be more creative with it by saying that it's using a 6 inches nail on something when you're supposed to make use of thumb tacks. 9 minutes ago, Techno said: I think the first thing we should debate about, is what extremism is. For me, it's a intense reaction to things. The definition of extreme (according to Merriam Dictionary) is "going to great or exaggerated lengths", and "most advanced or thoroughgoing", this is more or less saying that extremes ,when it comes to politics, are a overabundance of reaction. The problem with extremism is that it becomes overly violent. Techno 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagger Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Heatman said: The likes of @Shaggerand @Withywarlockwould definitely have something interesting to chip in on this. Let's all rally on this one guys. I'm not exactly sure why what I would have to say on this subject would be more interesting or relevant, but I'll chime in. The notable difference between extremism and free speech is how it impacts other people. It is no longer your right to express something when that impedes on the rights or safety of somebody else. So, if a website is hosting something that's meant to spread hate, then that is not free speech. Saying "I hate insert" is free speech. You don't have to like it or agree it, but that is free speech. Saying "this is why you should hate insert" is more questionable, and defiantly over line to say "should be violent towards insert". Such conversations online are no different to such conversations in real life. Edited February 22, 2022 by Shagger Techno 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 I think the biggest problem when it comes with how websites handle extremism is that they don't ask the big question: Why are they being extreme? Something I see so little of, is people talking about why people do hateful things, they won't talk about the factors that lead to hate. A lot of hate is caused by a lack of understanding, people get angry when they don't really understand why something is happening to them, so they blame it on others because it's a lot more understandable than any outside factors that gave them the problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 My initial reaction when I think of extremism is terrorism, but I guess that isn't always the case; although I do believe it's an end game. Countries need to redefine their terrorism laws. For example, Canada has banned Proud Boys while USA politicians hire them as security. Italy and Germany have more strict laws against neo nazis, while in my country they can protest and wave flags as if they were ISIS with rights. And there are those who wave confederate flags everywhere. That flag represents those who lost a civil war in my country who were pro slavery. I would have banned those flags a long time ago. It has no place in society. So staying within the constitution, we need to define terrorism laws because while where I am, we have international/foreign terrorism laws but not domestic. Sad to say, but even if we did define domestic terrorism, those extremist politicians will try to use those laws against political opponents, protestors, and movements. We need to use all our resources and infiltrate extremist networks. I'm talking straight CIA/FBI/NSA/007/Green Beret shit and bring them down like it was the American Italian mafia wars. The Blackangel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, Reality vs Adventure said: We need to use all our resources and infiltrate extremist networks. I'm talking straight CIA/FBI/NSA/007/Green Beret shit and bring them down like it was the American Italian mafia wars. And before people get their panties bundled, I'm talking about real actual terrorist threats, not some angry guy yelling. I'm talking about those that plan attacks, have illegal weapons, catch them in the act by infiltrating them. For example, a couple years ago a few far right people were arrested by the FBI in a plot to kidnap the Michigan governor. And their defense is that the FBI set them up and made them do it. Fuck that. If they were caught in the act, they are guilty whether they were given aid or not. So set them up for all I give a damn. They still have a choice to partake in terrorism or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heatman Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 9:16 PM, Reality vs Adventure said: And before people get their panties bundled, I'm talking about real actual terrorist threats, not some angry guy yelling. I'm talking about those that plan attacks, have illegal weapons, catch them in the act by infiltrating them. For example, a couple years ago a few far right people were arrested by the FBI in a plot to kidnap the Michigan governor. And their defense is that the FBI set them up and made them do it. Fuck that. If they were caught in the act, they are guilty whether they were given aid or not. So set them up for all I give a damn. They still have a choice to partake in terrorism or not. How in the world would the FBI set them up to commit acts of terror and still end up having them arrested. These guys are unbelievable most of the time. I do agree @Technoabout trying to understand what triggers the extremist and try to correct it when it's not off the point of no return. Where I have stern point is on those that have extremists radicalized. They deserve the nailing hard!!! Reality vs Adventure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Heatman said: How in the world would the FBI set them up to commit acts of terror and still end up having them arrested. These guys are unbelievable most of the time. Either the FBI is incompetent once again, or some people are doing a "Blame Canada". Reality vs Adventure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazycrab Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 34 minutes ago, Techno said: Either the FBI is incompetent once again, or some people are doing a "Blame Canada". I hope it's a "Blame Canada", then at least we could have a sing-a-long! Techno and Reality vs Adventure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Crazycrab said: I hope it's a "Blame Canada", then at least we could have a sing-a-long! Now why haven't I seen people marching with M.A.C. signs yet? 😆Seriously, that's their next straw picking. Crazycrab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, Reality vs Adventure said: Now why haven't I seen people marching with M.A.C. signs yet? 😆Seriously, that's their next straw picking. Because my printer broke Crazycrab and Reality vs Adventure 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality vs Adventure Posted February 24, 2022 Share Posted February 24, 2022 Just now, Techno said: Because my printer broke Blame Canada Crazycrab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techno Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Reality vs Adventure said: Blame Canada Those stupid Syrupies and their printer breaker machine Crazycrab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
