The connection between Religion and Politics

[Knight Barida]

I am of the opinion that politics will not work well without religion. I mean, I see religion as the oil that makes politics work hand in hand. What do you think about religion being the foundation of politics?

Edited May 31 by Shagger

[The Blackangel]

Bullshit. Religion is never needed for politics. Quite the contrary. Religion being mixed in with politics is why people were burned at the stake. I don't know the exact number, but in Salem a lot of people (women mostly) were hung for heresy. Mixing religion and politics leads to nothing else being tolerated, because that one religion becomes the law of the land. Religion should always stay the hell out of politics and vice versa. Otherwise, it's going to cause nothing but war. It's especially dangerous when the idiots causing the violence don't even understand or know anything about the religion they claim. And, at some point, some asshole is going to get all butt-hurt and turn that war chemical, biological, and nuclear.

Take one and forego the other. Keep them separate and private.

[CharlesK]

This is a spicy topic!

At the core of politics and religion is a certain ethos.  That ethos often overlaps (whether it should overlap is a different question; the reality is that it often does overlap). This is why American is often referred to as a Judeo-Christian political system: our founding ideals and documents were rooted in divine Providence ... principles like:

• Reliance on the Providence oof God
• Law of God forms basis of good human laws
• Religion and Morality form basis of Liberty
• The equality of Man

And so on.  

[Reality vs Adventure]

Religion today is evil, straight up. Christians worship Judas to backstab christianity, to take a knife and stab Jesus in the back. American christians call God woke and they want to kill God. American christians hate Jesus. Every teaching in the bible, christians hate it. 

Prove me wrong you devil christian fucks. 

[Knight Barida]

On 5/29/2024 at 6:56 AM, Reality vs Adventure said:

Religion today is evil, straight up. Christians worship Judas to backstab christianity, to take a knife and stab Jesus in the back. American christians call God woke and they want to kill God. American christians hate Jesus. Every teaching in the bible, christians hate it. 

Prove me wrong you devil christian fucks. 

There have been some issues with Christianity nowadays. People now go to church because of their selfish interests and such needs to change as soon as possible. 

[Shagger]

Like it or not, religion is the source of politics.  The ten commandments became the foundation of law itself, that is how it all started.  For millennia in the various human civilisations law and religion were one and the same, something that has only began changing relatively recently.  Even though the two are not as closely tied together as they used to be, the fundamental role that religion had in building that starting foundation of law and society will always be there, it's engrained.   No matter how much things have changed, it was first decided by society that it's wrong to steel because "God" said so.  It was first decided by society it was wrong to kill because "God" said so.  I put "God" in quotes because it wasn't really God, it was religious leaders in power claiming to speak God's words.  That is both society's greatest flaw and society's greatest success all wrapped up in one.

[Reality vs Adventure]

Religion is oppressive by nature. Religion is what brought us the Dark Ages. In ancient Egypt, only the religious leaders had the right to read and write, to be educated, and to hold skillful jobs. Look at the Taliban making women cover themselves head to toe while paraded around by men with rifles. Religion is the gateway to oppression. In America, religion should NOT be in politics. Christianity is a tax exempt organization. If they quote the bible while writing their bills and ruling on cases, then christianity needs to be taxed. Then we also have the Establishment Clause in the 1st amendment which gives us freedom from religion and also protects religion from the government. A perfect example of what not to do is how republicans treat religion in America. Trump is now a convicted felon, a sex offender, and a fraud, who went and sold bibles with a bunch of government documents in it. Isn't that blatant sacrilege? 

And imagine if your religion is not the religion of the government. They will not tolerate your religious rights. Imagine your kids forced to go to schools that indoctrinate religion that teaches them things against your own religion. That’s what a religious government will do, it will infect schools, colleges, businesses, jobs, advertisements, music, movies, radio, media, science, and your personal lives in every way.

Religion is poison. It’s an obsession that gradually becomes more and more fanatical with every generation as politicians want to act more morally superior than their opponents. And the whole essence of religious teachings get thrown out the window and becomes unrecognizable as a religious belief, and more like a cult terroristic belief. Progression goes backwards instead of the natural evolution of human progression with the arts, science, technology, philosophy. It wasn’t a religious government that gave us all the much needed technologies of today. Galileo was jailed for his research saying the Earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around. 

Religion as the basis of politics will bring society into the Dark Ages. Go back to the days of looking for witches to burn and everyone is ignorant and illiterate. And that is why I say christians in America are fakes. They are infiltrating christianity and turning it into terrorist cells, re-education centers, nazi propaganda and Russian propaganda centers. They hide behind religion to do their evil deeds, and christians let them do it. They are enablers. In fact, the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation are two major republican religious groups in the USA who have full intention to destroy American democracy and have a dictatorship. Those organizations wrote up the plan Project 2025 where if Trump is elected, they will increase presidential powers, get rid of checks and balances, and fire all federal employees and replace them with maga loyalists. They actually wrote that plan up. No shame at all. And those religious groups handpicked our supreme court justices. The SC justices hold loyalty to the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, not loyalty to our constitution. Those justices are the most corrupted in the entire history of the USA and they claim to be religious. They literally take bribes and have no ethical oversight, and they refuse to hold each other accountable for any ethics violations. They are traitors. They are protecting Trump by intentionally delaying his trials. They are abusing their power in aiding, abetting, and providing comfort to traitor Trump who had a coup attempt. 

Religion is poison and nothing good comes from it when it's mixed with politics. Religion IS the embodiment of evil. 

[The Blackangel]

I’m Satanic, but I’m still going to say that the right wing and their bastardized version of religion is pure evil. It’s used as a license to do whatever the hell they want to those who disagree with them. Religion gave us morality in the beginning. But religion also gave us slavery in Egypt, the crusades, Spanish Inquisition, and Salem witch trials just to name a few of the more notorious examples. If religion actually makes people live a good, moral life, then I’m all for it. Practice your religion. Treat people with civility. If at some point they earn it, treat them with respect. The sad thing here stateside, is that religion is a cancer that has become airborne and therefore contagious. Unless we as a people start pulling heads out of asses, we’re fucked in every sense of the word.

If I could take a magic gun, and kill religion, I wouldn’t hesitate in any way.

Have your religion, but the moment you begin the condemnation of others, you lost not only the battle, but the entire war.

[Reality vs Adventure]

Let me make this clear. Religion did NOT give morality. Religion has many beliefs in human history. Morality came from our natural instinct as humans. We have intelligence. We have sympathy. We can learn from mistakes. We can identify suffering. We don't need religion to teach us right from wrong. Religion attracts people who are abusers. People who want to hide behind a code of ethics, to swing their fist in the air, to act moral, to act superior, at the same time they incite hate. That is religion. True morality doesn't need a book written by man. True morality is natural. It's intelligence. Morality is intelligence. The less intelligence people have, the more immoral they become. I'm not talking about IQ. I'm talking about pure human intelligence. Religion is not intelligence. It's irrational, unintelligent. Religion attracts the unintelligent, people willing to give up their rationality. Religion is the opposite of intelligence. People willing to bow down in weakness instead of having an independent mind. Religion takes that independent mind away we are born with. Religion make humans completely stupid. Intelligence is not book smart, it is not ambition, it is not an evil genius, it is not power. Intelligence is morality, NOT religion. Intelligence allows us to have the greatest ethics. Religion is the dumbing down of intelligence. The dumbing down of morality. It's funny every time a religious person asks the question, "where do you get your ethics then?" I was born with ethics until religion took it away. You can propose the 10 commandments, then worship a guy like Trump that breaks all 10 commandments. I ask religious folk, where do you get your ethics from? A book you read? A brainwashed parent? You had ethics before religion tainted your mind. You were smart before religion brought you irrationality. Religion does not teach morality. Religion teaches evil, to hate others, to let go of morality, to let go of your intelligence. 

[The Blackangel]

11 hours ago, Reality vs Adventure said:

Let me make this clear. Religion did NOT give morality.

When I said “in the beginning” I meant thousands of years ago. When people knew nothing about the world around them, and started looking for something to explain everything. That is when religion began forming. The result is a downfall of civilized man. Everyone then and now wage wars and genocide all because of a different religious title. Religion is one of the worst plagues on this planet. To get to true morality and compassion, religion has no place in our lives.

[Reality vs Adventure]

This is the insanity I'm talking about right here. Republicans are saying Trump is just like Jesus because Trump is a convicted felon and Jesus was crucified on a cross. Does that mean all convicted felons are just like Jesus now??? Did Jesus fuck a porn star and pay hush money with holy water and falsify the bible scriptures so that he would look good giving his sermons??? 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/marjorie-taylor-greene-compares-trump-075607657.html

 

[Reality vs Adventure]

Hey look!!! Here's more religious dirt. Pastor of Texas Megachurch, Robert Morris, has admitted to molesting a child. This same guy was Trump's spiritual advisor WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT!!!! bwahahahaha

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dallas-megachurch-pastor-robert-morris-resignation-b2565418.html

I wonder if he helped write the bibles Trump sold!!! 

[Shagger]

3 hours ago, Reality vs Adventure said:

Hey look!!! Here's more religious dirt. Pastor of Texas Megachurch, Robert Morris, has admitted to molesting a child. This same guy was Trump's spiritual advisor WHILE HE WAS PRESIDENT!!!! bwahahahaha

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dallas-megachurch-pastor-robert-morris-resignation-b2565418.html

I wonder if he helped write the bibles Trump sold!!! 

 

To be clear, I'm not posting this a a moderator, only a member.  Nothing of what I'm about to say is meant to represent VGR in any capacity. With that done, onto the point, that I am very disappointed with you @Reality vs Adventure and even a little angry.

 

I really don't like how exited you are about this @Reality vs Adventure.  What is your concern with regard to this story, the suffering of an abused child or "getting one over" the political bias you oppose?  To anyone with common decency, this is NOT good news.  It is never is when a child has been molested.  Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself for this.  Not that I'm condoning what this man did, not even slightly, I'm just calling out what I see as a pretty appalling attitude on your behalf.  You couldn't care less about that child or what they went through. All you care about is that this makes the republican party look bad, so you're exstatic at the thought a child have been sexually molested. Honestly, it's kind of sick.

 

Would you be this happy if it were somebody this closely associated with a Democrat leader (After all, it has happened before.)? I doubt you would be.  In fact, I'd bet you wouldn't have made a post about it at all.  A child being molested by a republican is a cause for celerbration, whilest a child being molested by a democrat is an "incovience" to ignore and just hope it goes away.  Either way, you couldn't care less about the victim, and what's so wrong with what you just did.

 

A republican supporter equal in passion to yourself would, of course, do exactly the same thing. This is why I'm not fond of political extremists from either side.  They're so busy flinging shit at each at other their blind to the fact that, deep down, they're exactly same.  Full of shit.  Whare as the sensable, grounded people sitting near the middle get drowned out and ingored.

 

But that's another rant for another day because, unlike @Reality vs Adventure, I would never turn the suffering of a child into some sort of political flex.  MY  thoughts go out the this child and thier family. I hope you make it through this difficult time.

[Reality vs Adventure]

2 hours ago, Shagger said:

 

To be clear, I'm not posting this a a moderator, only a member.  Nothing of what I'm about to say is meant to represent VGR in any capacity. With that done, onto the point, that I am very disappointed with you @Reality vs Adventure and even a little angry.

 

I really don't like how exited you are about this @Reality vs Adventure.  What is your concern with regard to this story, the suffering of an abused child or "getting one over" the political bias you oppose?  To anyone with common decency, this is NOT good news.  It is never is when a child has been molested.  Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself for this.  Not that I'm condoning what this man did, not even slightly, I'm just calling out what I see as a pretty appalling attitude on your behalf.  You couldn't care less about that child or what they went through. All you care about is that this makes the republican party look bad, so you're exstatic at the thought a child have been sexually molested. Honestly, it's kind of sick.

 

Would you be this happy if it were somebody this closely associated with a Democrat leader (After all, it has happened before.)? I doubt you would be.  In fact, I'd bet you wouldn't have made a post about it at all.  A child being molested by a republican is a cause for celerbration, whilest a child being molested by a democrat is an "incovience" to ignore and just hope it goes away.  Either way, you couldn't care less about the victim, and what's so wrong with what you just did.

 

A republican supporter equal in passion to yourself would, of course, do exactly the same thing. This is why I'm not fond of political extremists from either side.  They're so busy flinging shit at each at other their blind to the fact that, deep down, they're exactly same.  Full of shit.  Whare as the sensable, grounded people sitting near the middle get drowned out and ingored.

 

But that's another rant for another day because, unlike @Reality vs Adventure, I would never turn the suffering of a child into some sort of political flex.  MY  thoughts go out the this child and thier family. I hope you make it through this difficult time.

Don’t hand me that shit. My sister (half sister) was raped over and over by a religious piece of shit. She became a stripper, got into drugs, and overdosed on fentanyl just a couple months ago. My other sister was also raped over and over by a baby sitter’s boyfriend, became a stripper, got into drugs. Same shit. Surprised she’s not dead. When I was a kid I saw it happen when I walked in on it and I was too weak to say anything. When I mock religion and Trump, it’s because they deserve it for their hypocrisy. Trump always says he chooses the best people. But many people surrounding him is corrupt, have went to jail, charged or investigated, and his spiritual advisor admitted to molesting a child. And will he even be charged for it? Probably not because his state had limited statues at the time where there was a limited time to report it. Again, don’t hand me that shit. I know what my sisters went through. I know their pain and suffering at the hands of republican religious fucks. Every time we have a holiday, the drama comes out and my sister cries after a few drinks. She needs prescription meds to stay off street drugs. And both sisters have been drugged and raped as adults too. Again, I’m the wrong person you should be ashamed of. I’ve lived that life. 

[Reality vs Adventure]

I also want to add, when my sister died, I said she died a couple months ago. That’s because she was found dead after a month decaying after a drug overdose. But we all only found out recently. Her funeral was a week ago. She was supposed to be in rehab so that’s why she decayed for a month. But a Mormon is responsible for her death and abuse.